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Re: Freesat +: excellent performance in fringe are
« Reply #15 on Mar 5, 2009, 5:32pm »

Thanks to snap and rt for help.

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Re: Freesat +: excellent performance in fringe are
« Reply #16 on Mar 28, 2009, 3:23pm »

Just to say I have bought a Humax freesat HDR and live in central portugal. Set it up today and it is fantastic. Very easy to set up and easy to use. Takes me back to my sky+ days in the UK. Thanks for all your help on this forum!"

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Re: Freesat +: excellent performance in fringe are
« Reply #17 on Jul 29, 2009, 10:08pm »

Hi lads, another cry for help. My humax foxsat hdr freesat+ arrived today (good price at the moment on amazonuk). The reception is worse than on my 'old' receivers. Please tell me I'm doing something wrong: a) I had to do manual tuning but then all the channels were found. b) it's a cloudless night but the picture started breaking up although the other two receivers - my old sky grundig 300 was working perfectly and the integrated one in the metz tv was providing 9.5dB.
Have connected the cable from the dual lnb to the 'lnb1 in' . Is this a 'wrong antenna setting' as quoted in the 'trouble shooting' description?
Looking forward to your suggestions.

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Re: Freesat +: excellent performance in fringe are
« Reply #18 on Jul 30, 2009, 8:51am »

Most people find its better so hopefully its a simple problem.

Check that the connectors are is in good shape. Not sure if it would make a difference but for one LNB connection you should also have a loop through from LNB1 out to LNB2 input.

Perhaps try swapping the receivers around. Maybe cable length is making a difference or LNB has a problem with one of its outputs.

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Villach: Invacom Quad QDF-031 C120 flange LNB, CM feedhorn, Pace 2600C1, Humax Foxsat HDR+HD, 1.5m Gilbertini dish. Reception is very good during daytime. Better than 50% quality, 80% strength on Humax meters. After midnight I can get some blocking on ITV3 etc, quality reduced to 40%. I can loose some channels during storms.
My Dish: http://public.fotki.com/m4rkym4rk/sat-dish/

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Re: Freesat +: excellent performance in fringe are
« Reply #19 on Jul 30, 2009, 12:50pm »

Thanks m4rk - will find out today about the loop possibility. The strange thing was that the signal went from about 90% strength/70% quality within seconds, with a cloudless sky, to 'no signal'. The old sky grundig box, which I then reconnected with perfect reception, is connected to the same cable/output so that can't be the problem.
I've been following your reports on your setup - unfortunately the 031/CM feedhorn + kathrein 120 dish didn't improve the levels of reception here - I'm thinking of going for the Gilbertini 150 to have enough reserves for really bad weather - how satisfied are you with the quality of the dish?
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Re: Freesat +: excellent performance in fringe are
« Reply #20 on Jul 30, 2009, 2:48pm »

Dish is good and solid but the only other one I have used was a 120cm Hirschman; so I do not have many to compare against really. Snap also has/had the Gilbertini and is 'wiser' than I on the sat stuff. I have only seen him say good things on the Gilbertini... maybe he will pop by and confrim.

My setup is working most of the time now but it is a liitle fragile when things get difficult. I have to wait to see how my latest tweaks help over the winter. I am thinking that for 100% reliablity in all weathers I would need a dish bigger than 2m. That is my only possible step to get any better, that is apart from my LNB terminators (in post and probably better used as earings according to Snap) and of course I could always move back to UK if I wanted to swap a nice'ish life style for a bad one with more reliable UK TV.

Funny that sudden drop out happend to me last night too on ITV3 I think. It lasted a few seconds so I assumed (hoped) it was a bird or something getting in the way.

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Re: Freesat +: excellent performance in fringe are
« Reply #21 on Jul 30, 2009, 2:56pm »

One other thing you could try is swapping the LNB input on the Humax. They have different specs according to the manual.

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Re: Freesat +: excellent performance in fringe are
« Reply #22 on Jul 30, 2009, 6:01pm »

It shouldn't be different between boxes but check that when you tighten the F connector onto the tuner that it's actually screwing all the way down and not clogging up on the thread. This is usually a problem with poorly machined F connectors.

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Re: Freesat +: excellent performance in fringe are
« Reply #23 on Aug 13, 2009, 9:35pm »

Dudd box? -
Sorry for late reply but just back from UK. The rest of the Humax HDR saga:
I attached the loop to the other outputs as 'prescribed' in the manual; I tried the single connection to the different feed - LNB2; I checked the F connector. The result(s) was that on a sunny afternoon when the integrated receiver was showing a 10.5dB signal and the old grundig 300 was soldiering on perfectly - the picture from the same transponder on the Humax (with exactly the same connection as the grundig) was breaking up. According to my installer it couldn't be caused by just having the single feed.
It seems so strange when 'old' worthies like yourselves, snap and m4rk, continually recommend both Humaxes - or is it really possible to land a dudd box?
Very sadly I sent the Humax back to Amazon and will just have to continue with my old but reliable system: Read up on the programmes on the beeb's or rt's site and plan accordingly.
Thanks to m4rk and PaulR for advice.

Anyway, looking forward to getting my Gilbertini 150 in September - hope this will give me that little bit extra for really bad weather.

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Re: Freesat +: excellent performance in fringe are
« Reply #24 on Aug 13, 2009, 10:23pm »

Did you buy a grade 'A'box? Was it from Amazon themselves or another seller in the marketplace?
The reason I ask is that it seems you have a substandard box or one that has become corrupted.
There have been a few cases of this. The vast majority of people have said their Humax gives superb reception.
I know of one case personally of a Humax Foxsat HD which started to play up with weak reception like yours whilst being used on an undersized dish in Aranjuez, Spain. I had a suspicion that somehow the firmware had become corrupted when the box was going through the setup procedure owing to a weak Eurobird signal. The owner returned it successfully to the UK for a replacement under warranty.

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In Spain: Prodelin 1.8m offset, Invacom QDF-031/ChannelMaster feedhorn. Lacuna/Wolsey V3 meter. In UK: Pace 2600CI, Humax Freesat HDR, Thomson SKY+ HD

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Re: Freesat +: excellent performance in fringe are
« Reply #25 on Aug 13, 2009, 10:55pm »

Hi Snap
Bought box directly from Amazon UK at normal price so presumably not a re-condtioned one. It's great being able to return things no bother but you have to pay the difference in postage from abroad - still, no big deal as long as you can return it. It's hard to 'prove' it's somehow faulty or just because of fringe reception - although the other receivers work fine. Know the second feed is somehow involved with the Eurobird/EPG reception - and it could neither find signal automatically nor post code - so could the lack of the second feed somehow have been involved in the poor results?

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